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Land Search group meeting

Mark Dowsett — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:36:44 -0400

Start: Oct 14 2008 - 19:00

End: Oct 14 2008 - 21:00

At Ken & Mary's

Let's start formulating a plan

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Land Search Group meeting was tonight

SOGA Admin — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:02:41 -0400

Another good 'turn out'...9 people 'at' the meeting...well, only three of us were 'at' the meeting (Ken, Mary and myself) but six others joined in over Skype or speaker-phone during the meeting. What technology...!

We had our first meeting of the Land Search Group to start to hash out needs/goals/processes to work towards owning land.

If you're a member of the group already, you've received a flurry of emails with new postings to that group...don't feel inundated - I'd rather have more emails telling me what's going on than none.

You can see the minutes (just topics) at:

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Reasons to invest

SOGA Admin — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:47:44 -0400

We need to SELL this venture to other pilots, and especially our significant-others to make the project a go. SO keep this in mind when forming the group. We are selling this idea to:
- other hang glider pilots
- our significant others

- Keep it family friendly
- focus on the long-term property investment

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Uses of land

SOGA Admin — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:32:51 -0400

SOGA can't be the only 'customer' of the site. To look at this Land Ownership group as a business, other lines of income should be considered. Other streams of revenue could be:
- hang gliding schools
- ultralight schools
- ultralight storage
- farming
- campground, trailer parking, trailer lots, cabin lots
- winter activities (XC skiing, snow-mobiling, etc).

I may be reaching at some of these activities but nothing should be ruled out...as long as we prioritize hang gliding!!!

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Budget

SOGA Admin — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:28:00 -0400

off-the-cuff project investment....$200K???

Includes:
- legal fees of forming the corporation
- legal fees of share-holder agreement
- land purchase
- Realtor fees
- runway preparation

Will not include:
- services (hydro, water)
- hangar for SOGA (they will be responsible for that)
-mower, roller , snow clearing equipt etc.

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Land Needs

SOGA Admin — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:24:04 -0400

25 acres with NO obstructions in surrounding properties
50 acres with some forest around
100+ acres with anything around it

Ideal Property:

space for at least 1 north-west grass strip 1000 feet long; drained.
rentable farm land
NOT close to housing development.
surrounding land NOT good for windmills.
able to be sub-divided.
able to be registered as aerodrome.
bare land
no buildings
level
small forest (for camping) would be nice

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Introduction

SOGA Admin — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:14:25 -0400

We want to do this right and not rush into anything. It's possible but not probable that we are able to get this Land Ownership thing in operation for the 2009 season.

At this point (Oct 2008) we need as many people to have interest in making this project a reality. At this point being involved in this group DOES NOT mean that you are committed or expected to invest in the project but the number one reason for this group is to find a suitable property for YOU, the hang glider pilot.

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Mac Pat

SOGA Admin — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:48:21 -0400

A possible (quite probably) lease opportunity for the club for the 2009 & 2010 seasons. We'll need a home for the next year or two and may have to commit to this property for a minimum of these two seasons.

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Exit Strategies

SOGA Admin — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:43:21 -0400

- shares are sold at market value (whatever you can get) - buyer has to be approved by group
- "the company" may buy back the share and dissolve the share into the existing ownership pool

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Formation

SOGA Admin — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:37:08 -0400

inflict a maximum percentage of shares per shareholder so no one investor has the power (to dissolve the property)

becoming a new investor (once the corporation was formed) would have to be approved by the existing owners

"widow's clause" - the company buys back a share if an owner passes (requires a fund to be put into place and maintained)

have a minimum starting window that you cant sell shares within (maybe 5 years)

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Purpose

SOGA Admin — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:32:09 -0400

To form an investment group to own land for the primary purpose of allowing aero-tow hang gliding in SW Ontario.

It's purpose is NOT to make a 'profit' from SOGA

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Land Search Guidlines

SOGA Admin — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:30:33 -0400

A working document to attempt to form a Land Search Group

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Hopeville

Ken Kinzie — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:12:33 -0400

General Description
90.5 ACRES CASH CROP FARM W/ 75 ACRES WORKABLE, LISTOWEL LOAM SOIL; SOME SYSTEMATIC TILE AT 30' & 60' INTERVALS; NICE 7 ACRE HARDWOOD BUSH, NICE BUILDING AREA W/ SOUTHERN EXPOSURE & PAVED RD;

Located midway between Conn and Flesherton

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Hanover

Ken Kinzie — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:23:20 -0400

General Description
Scenic fifty acres close to the town of Hanover. Bank barn. Quiet road. Lovely building site. 38 acres workable, 12 treed acres.

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Conn

Ken Kinzie — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:11:04 -0400

This property features a 1 1/2 storey farm house, older bank barn, newer 40'x60' workshop/garage. Approximately 70 workable acres and some bush/pasture area. All this located approximately 15 minutes north of Arthur. Great hobby farm potential or weekend retreat parcel.

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Carthage

Ken Kinzie — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:33:21 -0400

Land Size : 266 X 1558
Location : 7750 PERTH RD 131
MORNINGTON TWP, ON N4W 3G9

HANS-DIETER TUREK
BROKER
Telephone: 519-585-2334
Fax: 519-585-0034
Email REALTOR¬Æ

CENTURY 21 ADD VANTAGE REALTY LIMITED
Brokerage, Independently Owned and Operated
450 BELMONT AV, W.
KITCHENER, Ontario N2M 1N3

Telephone: 519-585-2334
Fax: 519-585-0034

General Description
Vacant land. Never built on. Smith Creek runs through rear of property.
Location Description
Carthage

Property

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Dewsbury

Mark Sanderson — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:56:05 -0400

SOGA used to aerotow here years ago (temporarily)

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Wolverton

Mark Dowsett — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:07:42 -0400

This property is in the village of Wolverton. It is the property on the east side of town, with the Nith River as the eastern boundary. If you come from Kitchener - take Cedar Creek to Washington turn south (right) on Oxford 3, go to 8th concession and turn east (left) - this takes you into Wolverton. Turn left on Wolverton Road and right on Dover st - you will run right into the gate.

The listing agent said that the gate is locked. If you'd like to walk the property she can give us the code to unlock it.

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Grand Valley #3

Mark Dowsett — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:02:35 -0400

Real Estate Type : Vacant Land
Land Size : 50.00x ACRE|50 - 100 acres
Location : N/A CONCESSION 10 RD
GRAND VALLEY, ON L0N 1G0
General Description

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MELANCTHON

Mark Dowsett — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:53:14 -0400

Real Estate Type : Vacant Land
Land Size : 29.00x29.00 ACRE|25 - 50 acres
Location : Lot288- HWY10 NORTH RD MELANCTHON, ON
General Description
29 Acres On Hwy 10 North Of Sellburn Good Investment Property Future Pontential**** EXTRAS **** Very Motivated Seller Bring Any Resonable Offer, Size And Zoning By Laws Should Be Verified By Buyer

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Mt Forest #1

Mark Dowsett — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:41:11 -0400

Real Estate Type : Vacant Land
Land Size : 35.11 ACRES|10 - 49 acres
Title : Freehold
Location : 6081 HIGHWAY 89
MINTO TWP, ON N0G 1Z0
General Description
Partially treed 35 acre parcel. Offers lots of seclusion, great building spots, with Highway location, and pond site. Existing driveway with posted Fire #.
Location Description
Highway #89 West from Mount Forest to bend in Highway, property on left after bend, Fire #6081.

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Minto

Mark Dowsett — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:50:02 -0400

General Description
Minto Township. 94 acre property fronting on Blind Sideroad, 14th Minto. 34 acres workable.
Location Description
Go to Greenbush, turn East on the 14th, around the bend, property is 80 rods in on the left hand side.
Property
Features : Level lot, Other
Land Size : 94 ACRES|50 - 100 acres
Real Estate Type : Vacant Land
Title : Freehold
Location : LOT 32 CON 15 MINTO TWP, ON N0G 1Z0

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Mt Forest #2

Mark Dowsett — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:45:23 -0400

Features : Level lot, Wooded area
General Description
Bush lot located 10 minutes from Harriston. Mixed bush with white pine planted at back in 1986.
Location Description
Take Hwy #89 North of Harriston to 10th Line, turn right, 2nd property on left past Pike Lake Road.

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Teviotdale

SOGA Admin — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:10:32 -0400

I think it's a little pricey for us...I thought I'd throw it in there anyways

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Air Sailing

SOGA Admin — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:09:02 -0400

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sifting thru properties

Mark Dowsett — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:02:46 -0400

I've enabled two more helpful modules to help sift thru the possible properties:

Five Star - every member (of this private group) can vote on the properties listed. You can even change your vote as time goes on. You'll also notice in the listing of properties, it will show the average votes to date (highest at the top).

Pro's and Con's
You can now NOT add comments to the listings...instead, you can add an "Argument" to any property...flag it as a Pro or a Con and THEN people can comment on your Pros and Cons.

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Drumbo

Terry Ryan — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:52:24 -0400

General Description
36 1/2 ACRES OF FARMLAND SURROUNDING 806805 ROAD 29. CURRENTLY FARMED WITH TABACCO/WINTER RYE, LEASED FOR $4,000 PER YEAR. NATURAL GAS AND ELECTRICAL HOOK-UPS AVAILABLE AT ROAD, POND AT REAR PROPERTY.
Location Description
DRUMBO ROAD, NORTH SIDE JUST WEST OF DRUMBO, SOUTH OF 401

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Egremont

Terry Ryan — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:48:17 -0400

General Description
200 acre farm with Beatty Saugeen River. Original bank barn with addition in good condition, 44'x50'x40'x68', ideal for horses. Original home burned down. Still has a dug well. Septic was new 2000. 90 acres workable leased for 2008 season. 10 plus acres cedar. Approximately 10 acres agri-licensed gravel pit. Remainder of land zoned NE2. This property offers many uses and are becoming rare.

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Glenelg #3

Terry Ryan — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:47:01 -0400

General Description
100 acre retreat property. Mix of hardwood, mixed bu

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ARTEMESIA #2

Terry Ryan — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:44:44 -0400

50 acre parcel between Markdale and Irish Lake, beautiful meadowland.

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Glenelg #2

Terry Ryan — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:41:35 -0400

General Description
Back to nature. Tranverston Creek runs through this 96 acre parcel. Approx. 30 acres of open land, with a mix of hardwood & softwood bush. Centrally located. Close to area recreation. GST is 'in addition to' with all offers.

More info as of 8/26 from the realator:
Zoning: AGR/HAZARD

Legal Descr.: CON. 8, PT LOT 20, GLENELG TWP (WEST GREY)
Address: LOT 20 CON 8
City: GLENELG TWP, N0G 1R0
Prop known as: GLENELG TWP
Assessment: $69000
Taxes: $185 (2007)

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Carrick

Terry Ryan — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:59:05 -0400

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Holland

Terry Ryan — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:55:42 -0400

32 acre building lot with views to East and West. Great sunsets. About half bush, half pasture and hay. Handy location. Powerline and survey on closing.
Location Description
Hwy #6 First road South of Williamsford, go East about 3kms to sign on South side.

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ARTEMESIA

Terry Ryan — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:32:39 -0400

Very beautiful 40 acres of rolling grasslands with fields separated by mature fencerows. Very productive fertile Harriston and Osprey loam soil, well drained and containing excellent building sites for house and barn building. Good location, South of Beaver Valley and Lake Eugenia and only 70 minutes to Brampton.
Location Description
Go South of Flesherton on #10 Hwy 4 kilo to S.R. 170, turn left or East 4 kilometres to T intersection, property adjacent to intersection on East side

Land Size : 40 ACRES M/L|10 - 49 acres
Title : Freehold
Location : PT LOT 63 EAST BACK LINE

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Table of Properties

SOGA Admin — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:21:37 -0400

I've created a table of properties to consider at:

http://soga.ca/properties

It's accessible only by Active members and the Properties themselves are only viewable by those in the Property Search group

PLEASE add any other properties you want to consider by going to:
http://soga.ca/node/add/property

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Connestoga Lake

SteveYounger — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:17:45 -0400

The property directly behind Ken and Marys cottage.We used this field once to land the tug and twice as goal in the comp.Mary has spoken to the woman that owns the land and she is very receptive to what ever we want to do buy/lease.I will be speaking to her later this week for more info

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Glenelg Township

Terry Ryan — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:18:43 -0400

Located on a paved road, this 50 acre parcel of land has much to offer. Great building sites, services at road, hardwood and mixed wood lot, approximately 40 acres of rentable land. Ideal property to build house or add to existing farm operation.

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